My M16 Paste Wax Finally Arrived

[Ganesa]

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yes Mike, would it be possible to get a clear recommendation from a Meguiars Chemist to solve the problem?

[the_invisible]

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Keep in mind that the mixture between the solvent and solid through heating is only temporary. Eventually, over time. the solvent will separate from the wax solid again. The solvent and solid are not chemically bonded, and thus will not stay in such state indefinitely.

The wax may appear to have been solidified by heat because, I think, a small portion of the solvent has evaporated.

[Golden]

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I need to melt my two tins, they are both mushy. Definitely waiting to hear back from Mike.

[Michael Stoops]

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So after shaking mine up and putting them in the fridge for a while, they seemed to have solidified a little, but not quite as much as it looks like some of your have since you heated and let it cool. There also seems to be a little amount clear liquid separation that is sitting on top of the wax.

Mike Stoops, is it possible to talk to a chemist and see what the best way to re-mix this wax is? I'm still hesitant on heating it, but I feel like I may need to do that and stir it up to make sure everything mixes properly, then let it sit out to cool.

Let me see what sort of info I can get for you guys on this....... sit tight.

[Michael Stoops]

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OK, here's the deal on the waxes with the pudding like consistency:

As you guys all know, we stopped manufacturing M16 for domestic consumption several years ago, although we do still market the product outside the US. From batch codes we've seen the manufacture date is more than a year ago - that alone is no big deal since paste waxes can have very long shelf lives; many of us are still using product we acquired 4 or more years ago without issue. But we have no idea what sort of freeze/thaw cycles this eBay group may or may not have seen, what sort of extreme heat it may have been exposed to, etc. As long as the tins were factory sealed, even if they now exhibit sort of a pudding like consistency, it really shouldn't impact the usability of the product. Some of you have already tried it in this state and had no problems, others have chilled it, others still have melted, mixed and rehardened it. Is one better than the other? Honestly, without knowing just what the wax has gone through between production and your hands, it's impossible to say for sure.

As has been mentioned previously elsewhere, if you're going to melt it down in the hopes of getting it back to some smooth, even state, keep in mind that excessive heating may well blow off some of the more volatile ingredients. That's just basic chemistry, but whether that activity alters the product sufficiently is impossible to say - how hot did you get it, how long was it at the elevated temperature, etc? Those variables alone are enough for us to not recommend the procedure - ultimately the formulation is altered in some way, shape or form.

PorscheGuy997 once melted down a can of M16 and blended it with melted M26 - and liked the end result. While we appreciate the mad scientist in him, we obviously can't officially condone or recommend the process. Nor can we when it comes do melting down this recently acquired batch of M16 (or any other Meguiar's product, of course). If you do so, use the necessary precautions when melting this volume of product, but do so at your own risk.

[tcope1]

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OK, here's the deal on the waxes with the pudding like consistency:

Well, I guess that answers that question..

[Zuke]

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Next question, when will there be a TOUR MEGUIAR's? The behind the scene

[the_invisible]

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It doesn't matter... you live too far away from Meguiar's facilities





hahaha jk...

[Andrew C.]

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Hey Mike thanks for the reply. Do you know what the clear liquid is that sometimes rises to the top of the M16? and does it need to be mixed back in (as in stirred in).

[ColonelCash]

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That is the reason I didn't heat my wax, just shook it in the pudding state until the large chunk in the middle was liquid. Figured if it was all liquid, it would eventually return to a hard state. I'll have to check out the progress in my basement, as of two days ago it was still pudding like.

UPDATE: It's setting up quite nice. I put the tin in a Ziplock bag and then tossed it in the fridge overnight. We'll see how it goes. Why the ziplock bag? Well, I didn't know if the fridge would harm it anyhow and figured either all my food would smell like wax in the morning....or my wax would smell like food. Neither a good scenario.

[Andrew C.]

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That is the reason I didn't heat my wax, just shook it in the pudding state until the large chunk in the middle was liquid. Figured if it was all liquid, it would eventually return to a hard state. I'll have to check out the progress in my basement, as of two days ago it was still pudding like.

UPDATE: It's setting up quite nice. I put the tin in a Ziplock bag and then tossed it in the fridge overnight. We'll see how it goes. Why the ziplock bag? Well, I didn't know if the fridge would harm it anyhow and figured either all my food would smell like wax in the morning....or my wax would smell like food. Neither a good scenario.

ColonelCash, mine seemed to separate to being pretty liquidy after shaking, but I didn't shake until the solid was gone. Maybe I should do that so it has more of what I know was solid, completely throughout the mixture and it will set up evenly.

When you said it is setting up quite nice, does that mean that it is still like pudding, or it is actually hardening? Let me know how the fridge works!

[Michael Stoops]

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Well, I guess that answers that question..

Apologies if the answer sounded like we're dodging the issue, but the fact of the matter is we simply do not, and can not, make a recommendation for how to reconstitute wax that looks like this. Without knowing exactly how and why it got that state in the first place or the level of control a consumer might have in heating and/or cooling - assuming heating or cooling even needs to be done! - there's no way to give a specific course of action.

Andrew, as for the clear liquid that sometimes sits on the surface...... could be any number of things, the specifics of which are proprietary information. Again, sorry guys..... but you know how it is.

[imacarnut]

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As mentioned, I bet the heat is why these are arriving like this. If one could wait, order one after the heat is over LOL...

[ColonelCash]

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ColonelCash, mine seemed to separate to being pretty liquidy after shaking, but I didn't shake until the solid was gone. Maybe I should do that so it has more of what I know was solid, completely throughout the mixture and it will set up evenly.

When you said it is setting up quite nice, does that mean that it is still like pudding, or it is actually hardening? Let me know how the fridge works!

This morning it was substantially more solid than before, so I'm leaving it in the fridge for the rest of the day and will check again tonight. I don't know if shaking it until fully liquid did anything special, but it was a better option than heating it (IMO).

[Andrew C.]

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This morning it was substantially more solid than before, so I'm leaving it in the fridge for the rest of the day and will check again tonight. I don't know if shaking it until fully liquid did anything special, but it was a better option than heating it (IMO).

So you let it sit for a couple days just untouched and then the fridge right? I think I'm going to follow your course of action col cash