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    Question how do i remove orange peel?

    im about to paint my car this weekend.. car is already primed and ready. the paint i bought is Dupont two-stage Deep Navy Blue Pearl w/ metallic..and clear.

    i took a piece of sheet metal and primed it to practice ...after i laid 2 coats of paint and 3 coats of clear it came out with some orange peel in it. Ive been looking all over the internet to find out how to remove it. I bought 1500 grit sandpaper and tried to practice before i actually paint my car but i cant seem to remove the sand scratches. I was using turtle wax rubbing compound because the M84 i ordered hasn't came in yet. i used a buffer and i tried it by hand in different areas with different pressure on the sandpaper..

    Do i have to sand the base coat smooth before i lay the clear? because i cant tell if the base coat or the clear coat has the orange peel.

    Anyone help?

    here is a pic of my hopeless efforts
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    Re: how do i remove orange peel?

    To remove orange peel you need to,

    1. Wet Sand or Dry Sand the paint flat.

    2. Remove your sanding marks using a wool pad with an aggressive compound with rotary buffer.

    3. Follow your aggressive compounding step with less aggressive steps, how far you want to go and how high a quality you want to achieve will determine what these step will be.

    Sanding and buffing out an entire car is a lot of work.

    Have you ever done this before?
    Do you own a rotary buffer?
    Do you know how to use it?

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    Re: how do i remove orange peel?

    yea in order to remove sanding scratches you will need a rotary w/ a wool pad and an agressive compound like#84 or #85. doing it by hand or an orbital is just about impossible. im not to familiar with painting cars so i cant help you on that part. wish i could though good luck and i hope it works out for you
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    Re: how do i remove orange peel?

    i have a palm 5" buffer that hooks up to the air compressor..it vibrates and spins..i never used it before till now. ive been practicing a lot though because if my car comes out alright my friends are going to pay me to do theres.

    i really need to buy a rotary buffer?

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    Re: how do i remove orange peel?

    With all your respect but I would suggest stepping away from this job/project.
    Wet sanding an entire car is a very demanding and serious because if you don't know anything about it things could try bad in seconds.

    You can't really learn and have the skills required from one day to another, it takes passion, effort and years of experience.

    I wouldn't do it, this is my opinion but yet again, it's your project

    It doesn't matter what you end up doing good luck with it and I hope everything turns out great!

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    Re: how do i remove orange peel?

    Quote Originally Posted by huntah2k View Post

    i really need to buy a rotary buffer?
    Yes.

    No matter what you may read about being able to remove sanding marks using any kind of orbital buffer, you cannot remove sanding marks quickly or effectively with one of these types of tool, you need to use a rotary buffer.

    Can a Rotary Buffer like a Makita or DeWalt be as Idiot-proof as a PC?


    You'll want to get one and start practicing, you don't want to learn how to use a rotary buffer by starting out sanding down your first car and then removing the sanding marks. You can but that's a pretty steep learning curve without someone to show you some tips and techniques to get you started.

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    Re: how do i remove orange peel?

    Quote Originally Posted by huntah2k View Post
    i have a palm 5" buffer that hooks up to the air compressor..it vibrates and spins..i never used it before till now. ive been practicing a lot though because if my car comes out alright my friends are going to pay me to do theres.

    i really need to buy a rotary buffer?
    Im not to familiar with a palm buffer but im sure you will still need a rotary. buffers like the palm and other da's just dont have the power necessary to remove sanding marks. I will have to agree with yalerd and say you should wait off on this project untill you can get some real practice in. it seems like you are taking on alot with little exeriece. Even if you did get a rotary it takes alot of time and practice with that machine to be able to tackle and entire car with or without sanding marks. there are different pads, compounds, and polishes that you need to learn to use and see the different resluts and practice and practice till you can make sure you know what you are doing so you dont burn through or leave the paint with bad swirl marks. Then you really want to make sure you know what you are doing before touching someone elses car because not ever car is the same. you will run into problems with one car and not another. Ok well whatever you choose to do i hope it works out and im sure we will all be here if you need some more info and help.
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    Re: how do i remove orange peel?

    If you have never used a rotary buffer I recomend gettin one with a maximum speed of 3000 rpm, and practice on a junk car before using on your car. It would also help if your buffer had pressure sensitive trigger. Have worked in a body shop for 7+ yrs, so if have any other questions feel free to ask.

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    Re: how do i remove orange peel?

    alright well thanks alot guys. tomorrow im going to go buy a rotary buffer and a lot of pads and just practice as much as i can. my car has needed a paint job for a long time. I will post pics of what im doing and on friday i will have pics of the painting process.

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    Re: how do i remove orange peel?

    I don't mean to sound negative, rather only helpful when I say that removing orange peal on a whole car is a process that doesn't take just one day, rather often times a couple of days and 15...20+ hours of labor? I personally haven't done it because I know just how much work it requires, though I am sure someone with that kind of experience can chime in on that part.

    You may also want to look into paint thickness. Factory paint jobs aren't the safest thing to sand down because they aren't THAT thick by comparison. Usually when you want a car with zero orange peal, it happens when you go to get the car painted, and you ask them to throw on a few extra layers of clear so that you have something to work with. The clear coat is what protects the pigment coat and the look of the car, not the wax. Sanding it down too far compromises this so much so that often you will see premature clear coat failure.

    Now with that aside, I did notice that you said you are looking for a paint job, so make sure you shop around for a quality painter who will prep the surface accordingly and throw on those extra layers of clear for you to work down, but only if you plan to do so. If you plan on painting it yourself, just be sure to properly prep the surface as this is where a quality paint job is made or broken at.

    So enough with the somewhat negative based comments, but I just want to make sure you are prepared for what you are getting yourself into. With everything said and done, a car with zero orange peal and a nicely polished and waxed paint job is an absolutely stunning thing to witness, and especially to own!

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