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Sep 9th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Pacific Coast Corvettes Club at Meguiar's!
On September 10th, 2005 Meguiar's was proud to host a hands-on detailing class for members of the Pacific Coast Corvettes Club (http://www.pccvettes.org/) here at Meguiar's Corporate offices in Irvine, CA.
Pictures and Write-up to be posted on Monday.
Sep 10th, 2005, 01:52 PM
The class just ended as the last of our guests have left. It was an awesome class today as everyone was eager to learn and join-in on the hands-on portion in the Training Garage.
Here's a picture of today's full class in our new Training Garage!
I'll be adding more pictures from the event today probably on Monday. A big thank you to everyone that attended, to Andrew for coordinating this class and a special thanks for the really cool Pro Street 1953 Corvette model, that was going above and beyond the call of duyt!
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Sep 10th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Here's a car built on MTV's Pimp my Ride
Sep 10th, 2005, 06:53 PM
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Sep 10th, 2005, 07:12 PM
Sep 11th, 2005, 01:40 AM
Looks like a nice day :)
Too bad we don't have these kind of meetings in the Netherlands, I would join everyone of them
The pimp my ride car, COOL!!! Since I have been watching the show, I always notice WCC uses meguiars. I was also very curious if these people would keep there car looking nicely detailed. But this one defenitly is!! If I remember right, didn't this car have some graphics on the side and rims that were matching the graphics color (something orange).
Anyways, very cool pictures!
Sep 11th, 2005, 07:42 AM
Thanks Mike for a great day, and it was much more than just great pizza! I learned so much, as I'm typing this I'm writing an email to my brother on how to take care of his new car.
From the 5 step system, to advanced shine we learned it all, I think you need a raise Mike! I never seen someone use a DA with soooo little effort man!
BTW Erik, the owner of the MTV Pimp My Ride Car is a friend of mine, his car is actually washed a lot, but it doesn't receive a lot of comprehensive car care, (ie its never been waxed once in the last year... ouch!). I think maintaining any of the cars that come from pimp my ride is hard, because of the outrageous things they do to the cars...(pimping ain't easy!) In Southern California, we often spot some of the cars from pimp my ride, some of them are been neglected a lot.
Sep 11th, 2005, 09:31 AM
Aaah too bad, and you know what? That was just what I was thinking about all those cars, they wont get any love......
It's a good thing that your friend is joining the Meguiar's clinics!
Well I hope the ''maddy'' mustang is doing fine, cause that is the car which I like the most!
Sep 11th, 2005, 11:11 AM
That tuxedo vette was awesome!
And the owner of the car drove it all the time!
Sep 11th, 2005, 03:12 PM
the pimp my ride 240sx looks like its been toned down a bit on the outragous styling....
Sep 11th, 2005, 03:36 PM
What did you use on the black 'Vette? The finish is incredible!
Sep 12th, 2005, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by RamAirV1
What did you use on the black 'Vette? The finish is incredible!
This particular Corvette is the feature car in an upcoming how-to DVD. You can see some more pictures of how it looked before we Meguiarized it in this thread...
1960 Corvette - How To Restore Single Stage Acrylic Lacquer Paint (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6598)
Here's a few more pictures of it from this Saturday Detailing class, the owner Steve has been to two three of our classes now, owns his own G100 and takes care of all three of his Corvettes! (One's for sale!).
And of course Steve's new Avatar...
Sep 12th, 2005, 05:43 PM
Here's a couple more stellar examples of the Pacific Coast Corvette Club's classic Corvettes...
The yellow Corvette is a 1969 with a factory 427 Big Block with factory Tri-Power and factory Chrome Dress-up package.
The cockpit is immaculate...
Here's the proud owner...
And here's his new Avatar on our forum!
Sep 12th, 2005, 06:15 PM
Here's a beautiful example of a 1965 Corvette Stingray Roadster!
Here's the proud owner!
And here's her new Avatar!
Sep 12th, 2005, 06:39 PM
Here's a stylish brand new 2005 C6
And yet another row of Corvettes at Meguiar's led off by a Suzuki Motorcycle!
Sep 12th, 2005, 07:38 PM
The classroom portion came in at just about 4 hours long!, that's because everyone had great questions!
After the question and answer portion of the class we broke for a pizza lunch and to look for a Corvette with a horrible finish and we found it in Ray's bright yellow Corvette. Out of all the corvettes at the class today, the finish on Ray's Corvette was easily the worst, or at least a close second! (Sorry Ray! ;) ) Of course Ray races his Corvette so it sees a lot of abuse not only as his daily driver but on the track too!
The sun wasn't cooperating very much on this particular day so we had a hard time capturing the swirls in all their glory with our cameras. With the sun hiding behind the clouds, at first look the finish looks pretty good,
But when the sun finally did poke its head out, we we're able to capture this single photo with our Cannon Digital Rebel.
The above photo is an un-touched, 700 pixel cropped out section. Believe it or not, the swirls are a lot worse than what the picture reveals.
Sep 12th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Here's some before photos captured with the old Sony Mavica which is usually very good at capturing swirls, even better than the Rebel.
The sun in hiding...
Then the sun poked its head out a litttle...
Sep 12th, 2005, 08:19 PM
After selecting our demo car and having everyone look at the condition of the finish in outdoor light, we had Ray drive his Corvette into Meguiar's Garage to begin the extreme makeover!
The first order of business would be to remove any light dust using Quik Detailer (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Quik-Detailer&sku=A-33) together with Meguiar's new Supreme Shine Microfiber (http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/accessoryproduct_page.cfm?SKU=X-2010) polishing cloths.
After pizza and cold drinks, everyone was ready to jump in and get busy!
After the entire car was wiped down everyone had a chance to inspect the condition of the finish on Ray's Corvette by feeling it with the palm of their clean hands. Everyone was pretty much in agreement that the finish felt more like sandpaper than how it should have felt which is like brand new smooth glass.
To remove the above surface bonded contaminants, we passed out chunks of Meguiar's detailing clay from our Quik Clay System (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Quik-Clay-Detailing-System&sku=G-11) and after a re-cap of the techniques for using detailing clay to clay paint, the club members were turned loose to clay Ray's Corvette!
Norma kneading her clay into a small wafer about the size of a small pancake
Next Norma pushes her wafer of detailing clay over the roof of Ray's Corvette after first spraying Meguiar's Quik Detailer both onto the clay and onto the paint.
Sep 12th, 2005, 08:34 PM
After claying the entire finish and also the window glass, next we used the Xenon Light, also known as a Swirl Finder to highlight the swirls. Everyone was encouraged to move to the front of the car where they could easily see the horrendous swirls and scratches in the finish of Ray's Corvette.
Sep 12th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Next up was a demonstration of the correct technique (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1516) for applying and working in ScratchX (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=ScratchX&sku=G-103), Meguiar's hand applied swirl remover.
Often times people ask the question,
"How do you tell if the paint on your car is hard or soft?"
The answer is... you don't know until after you do your first Test Spot in a small area and then after applying and working the product against the finish, you wipe it off and inspect the results.
If you an see a dramatic difference after one application you can assume you have somewhat soft paint as with the one application you were able to remove enough paint to make a visual difference.
(See, What it Means to Remove a Scratch (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7228))
If you see no difference, then repeat the process. After applying, working-in and then removing 2-3 applications of ScratchX to a small area, for example about 8 inches square, if you don't see a dramatic improvement this is telling you that your car's finish is fairly hard and massaging out defects will be very difficult by hand.
Point is, you don't know what you can do until you try.
In our case, I could tell after inspecting the results after the first application that the paint on this Corvette was as hard as glass and I was going to have to really put some passion behind my applicator pad if I was going to remove some swirls.
During the classroom portion one of the things we like to stress is that modern catalyzed paints tend to be harder than traditional solvent-evaporation paints and because they're are harder, working out defects using only your hands can be very difficult, thus one of the reasons for the increase in popularity in dual action polishers like Meguiar's G-100a (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Electric-Dual-Action-Polisher&sku=G-100)
I also shared my own personal experience buffing out a number of Corvettes over the years and that all the newer Corvettes that I've buffed out have had extremely hard paint.
Applying Second Application of ScratchX
Applying Third Application of ScratchX
Sep 12th, 2005, 09:07 PM
After applying and remove three applications of ScratchX we used the Xenon light to check our results.
Everyone was impressed with the reduction in swirls and scratches as well as the dramatic improvement in gloss, clarity, reflectivity and richness of color. There were still swirls in the paint, but now that the lightest swirls had been removed only the deepest swirls remained and because of the hardness of the paint and the fact that this is a daily driver that is raced on weekends, that was as far as we were going to go using only our hands.
We went a head and applied a thin coating of Deep Crystal Polish (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Deep--Crystal-System-Polish&sku=A-21).
When applying pure polishes, you don't let these products dry, you just apply them, work them in and then remove them using a clean soft 100% cotton towel or a soft, plush microfiber polishing cloth.
After this step we applied an application of the NEW NXT Generation Tech Wax Paste (http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/nxtproduct_page.cfm?SKU=G-12711) and then allowed the wax to dry until it swiped (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2166) clear.
Sep 12th, 2005, 09:24 PM
While the NXT Tech Wax was drying, we taped-off an area to demonstrate the ability and efficiency of the G100 dual action polisher.
After taping a section of, we then used the G100 with some #80 Speed Glaze (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Speed-Glaze&sku=M-80) with one of our Meguiar's W-8006 Foam Polishing Pad (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Soft-Buff%3Csup%3E%AE%3C/sup%3E-Foam-Polishing-Pads&sku=W-80) on a speed setting of 5.0
After carefully machine cleaning the finish and then wiping off any excess residue we gain inspected our results using the Xenon Swirl Finder and everyone could see that machine polishing produces better results faster and easier than hand polishing.
Next up we applied a thin coat of NXT Generation Tech Wax (http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/nxtproduct_page.cfm?SKU=G-127) using a Meguiar's W-9006 foam finishing pad (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=SOFTBUFF%E2%84%A2-Finishing-Pad&sku=W-90) with the G100 dual action polisher only we slowed the polisher down to the 3.0 setting.
Sep 12th, 2005, 09:52 PM
After the wax had been removed, we asked for a couple of volunteers from the audience to do the honor of removing the wax and showing the guys how easy NXT Tech Wax is to remove especially when you apply a thin coating.
:D :D :D
Sep 12th, 2005, 09:55 PM
After the wax had been removed it was time to back the Corvette out of the garage and inspect the results in bright light to see what we accomplished...
Ray seems to like the difference!
It was very difficult to capture the end-results as the sun just was not cooperating, suffice to say the finish came out 100% better than how it started!
Sep 12th, 2005, 11:31 PM
I love reading your detail day reports! :xyxthumbs I just hope that one day we'll be able to have one here as well.
Sep 13th, 2005, 10:19 AM
After everyone had a chance to see the dramatic change in before and after from the two different processes, (By hand and by machine), it was time to drive Ray's Corvette back into the garage and take what they've learned and put it into action!
If you look closely you can see a bead of M80 Speed Glaze in a circle around the outside of the face of the pad on the G100 Nick is holding.
When we say, "Hands-on Training", we mean it!
After a few tips, Nick is polishing like he's a seasoned Pro!
It's important to try to always hold the pad flat to the finish; this means getting a feel for following the curves of the panel you're working on and adjusting the angel and way your hold the body of the G100.
Sep 13th, 2005, 10:28 AM
Sep 13th, 2005, 11:03 AM
After applying the NXT Generation Tech Wax (http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/nxtproduct_page.cfm?SKU=G-127) and then allowing it to dry until it swiped (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2166) clear, it was time to remove it using Gold Class Clear Coat Safe Microfiber Bonnets (http://www.meguiars.com/estore/product_detailpage.cfm?product=Gold-Class-Clear-Coat-Safe-Microfiber-Bonnets&sku=X4003) over our W-7006 Foam Cutting Pad on our G100 Dual Action Polisher on the 5.0 Setting
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2X4003goldClassBonnet.jpg + http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/1008W-7006_Cutting_Pad.jpg + http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2G100a.gif
In order to get the bonnet to remove the wax, you need to use the polisher on the higher, 5.0 setting and push down fairly aggressively.
Sep 13th, 2005, 11:04 AM
After we cleaned, polished and waxed Ray's Corvette it looked like it just rolled off the assembly line!
Sep 13th, 2005, 11:22 AM
On the last page of the sign-up thread for this class, (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7965&perpage=10&pagenumber=6) one of our forum member's, Nick, asked if he could attend this class even though he doesn't own a Corvette. We always open the classes to non-club members if the sign-up list doesn't fill-up and in this case it didn't. So we invited Nick to attend and he did driving his girlfriends Bug all the way up from San Diego! :xyxthumbs
Originally posted by 89sv21
Hey mike, I'm not a corvette owner but I'd love to drive up to Irvine for the clinic. Am I still able to sign up for the class at such short notice? If so, how much does it cost and is parking an issue? I'm coming up from San Diego so I'm going to leave early to make it on time. Thanks again.
That's Nick walking away from the Bug with Customer Care Rep Shane Lariba behind him helping to put things away.
Sep 13th, 2005, 12:03 PM
The rear bumper on the Beetle had been damaged and Nick filled in the affected areas with touch-up paint and then sanded the area to smooth the paint out to more or less match the appearance of the surrounding paint. After sanding and then attempting to remove his sanding marks, he found he was able to remove them out of the touch-up paint, (soft paint), but he could not remove them out of the factory clear coat, (hard paint).
Thus one of the reasons for attending Meguiar's Saturday Detailing Class.
There were three areas he worked on, we took a picture but the sanding marks don't show up although they could easily be seen with the naked eye.
Meguiar's has always taught and continues to teach the philosophy of,
"Always use the least aggressive product to get the job done"
In keeping with the philosophy we decided to use the M80 Speed Glaze first, as this is a fairly light cleaner/polish plus it's very easy to work with. We know that if the M80 Speed Glaze proves to not be aggressive enough, we can always substitute a more aggressive product like the M83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish.
After a few, well worked passes, 95% of the sanding marks were gone!
The only marks that remained that were visible to the naked eye were so small that you had to know where to look to see them. Good work Nick! Nick was the last man standing and here's a shot of him leaving Meguiar's for San Diego...
Sep 13th, 2005, 12:26 PM
A big thank you to everyone that attended this class, it was a lot of fun for myself and I hope everyone else as well. I would also like to thank the Pacific Coast Corvette Club members for very nice gift they brought me, a mounted Pro Street 1953 Corvette with an engraving in brass.
Sep 13th, 2005, 01:55 PM
It was a great and very informative class Mike. It provides a very good grounds for me to start actually taking care of my paint. I only had time to experiment with the clay/quik wax on my carbon fiber hood during that day, but WOW, what a difference.
I'm going to dedicate a good weekend soon to utilize the techniques you taught us in class.
:bigups :bigups :bigups :bigups :bigups
Sep 13th, 2005, 06:44 PM
Just wanted to say thanks a lot for the class, Mike. You did a great job! Very informative, and the hands-on portion was really helpful. Most impressive product: the clay. I couldn't believe how well it worked!
With all my new-found knowledge I washed, clayed, polished and waxed my wife's car the next day - it's never looked so good. Ok, it took me a little over 4 hours to do (that DA is definitely on the shopping list) but well worth it. Thanks again.
Sep 15th, 2005, 06:45 AM
We just had an oldtimer meeting here in Holland, meguiars also was present at this event, a guy on the dutch forum made some very impressive pictures and I found this one:
I think you can see very clearly that this car posted in this topic has a much better finish than this one:
By the way, the guy in the black is Rob Mellaart the dutch country agent, hi rob!
For those who are interested here's the link to this oldtimer event with some pictures:
Sep 17th, 2005, 02:50 PM
Mike P. :wavey i just wanted to say Thank You
this was my first event ....i didn't know what to expect....at first when we entered the room and sat down i thought it was going to be a sales pitch were you either buy or leave....another thing was since there was an opening for non club members i took the opportunity to show up and i thought i was going to feel out of place but i must say everyone was very friendly helpful and we all were under one roof and are main goal was all the same how to make are car look better and to maintain it the right way....i must say Mike P. the way you presented yourself and the Co. (Meguiars) and how Excited i think you got everyone attention and you gave us alot of knowledge.. ill be honest i tried many products with no great results included meguiars but it wasn't that the products were bad, it was me, my technique and lack of knowledge.....no one ever taught me the right way... not know how to evaluate the car, know what to expect and goals for the car, and how to diagnosis and what to use for the detail....i would simply wash, wax and Armour all....i took lots of info. from you and ask you lots of question and I am sure even though you here the same question you always were will to go that extra mile and give us more info.... i cant thank you enough ....i believe you are an asset to Meguiars and i can tell right of the bat your are a Hard Working individual Ive met people who once its quiting time(5pm) they could care less about there job...but i have seen you in action be on this form post super early and post super late to help anyone out even to give your personal office number to help them in there emergencies i must say words are not enough to say about you.i know one thing you will always be welcomed were ever you go and you have showed me your enthusiasm and now i cannot wait to try what i learned....I am hook on Meguiars and will always be from now and on.....Thank You Thank You Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!