Nxt tech wax on black

[mtp78]

I am a avid detailer and read the forums often.I been noticing the last few times i used nxt tech wax on a black vehicle it looks a little uneven and smeary in direct sunlight . Then it seems after 24 hrs. the smears and uneveness goes after almost that the wax cured. Anyone notice this? Example today i applied a coat of nxt using my portal cable on speed 3 with the 9006 pad. I applied it on a 05 black bentley gt. I let it set up for 30 mins then removed it with a microfiber by hand.I went over the vehicle several times to make sure it was totally removed . I did this in my shop and outside was 70 and sunny.When i pulled the vehicle out to look at it the paint did look wet and good,just up close on some panels it looked uneven and smeary.This has happen to me on a few black vehicles. Any thoughts?

[2000]

no problems on my black truck, but I'm a rebal and do two coats on the same day just to make sure I didn't miss anything. Maybe the second coat clears it up. the pc makes it so fast I don't mind hitting the second coat.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by mtp78
Any thoughts?

Do you do any pre-wax paint cleaning?

I've seen this before on black paint, both single-stage and clearcoat over black basecoat, and the fix is a second coat. Two thin coats of any companies wax will always look better, (uniform appearance), and protect better, (uniform coverage), than one coat.

Typically, machine application of a product like the NXT Tech Wax helps to lay down a nice, uniform even coating which also helps to create a uniform appearance upon removal.

Also, what are you using to wipe the wax off? A quality microfiber, or 100% cotton towel works best.

Meguiar's recommends removing the NXT Tech Wax after it has fully dried, which in most climates is 10-15 minutes, the most accurate indicator to tell when a Meguiar's wax is ready to remove is to use the swipe test.

How to tell when a Meguiar's wax is ready to remove - The Swipe Test (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2166)

Sometimes leaving the NXT Tech Wax can lead to an uneven look. Another root cause can be using too much product, remember, thin coats, not thick coats.

[flipper]

I did my black 2000 GTP yesterday with NXT and the PC and had not problems that I can see. The paint looks great. The NXT was easy to put on and even easier to take off. I had to let the wax sit for about 40 minutes before I could remove it. It was only about 55 in my garage. This was fine since the waiting time gave me a chance to go inside for some food.

[Rockpick]

I'm familar with what you're describing as I experienced it again yesterday on my black F-150...

I cleaned with MPPC and then went to NXT...

Mike is correct... a second coat will correct the situation.

RP :D

[Rob66]

Hi Mtp

Yep. I had the same thing (Black single coat paint) when i first started using NXT and Gold Class, but mainly on the horizontal surfaces Bonnet and roof (maybe it just shows more there).

I tend to think its because I either used too much product or didnt allow enough time to fully dry. Best solution i've found is to go over the area again with the Spray Wax or QD, that clears it right up.

Rob

[Lt1Corvette]

Originally posted by Rockpick
I'm familar with what you're describing as I experienced it again yesterday on my black F-150...

I cleaned with MPPC and then went to NXT...

Mike is correct... a second coat will correct the situation.

RP :D
Same experience.

[travisdecpn]

I heard that sometimes it has to do with excess oils in the wax that are not absorbed into the paint.

[2000]

Originally posted by Rob66
Hi Mtp

Yep. I had the same thing (Black single coat paint) when i first started using NXT and Gold Class, but mainly on the horizontal surfaces Bonnet and roof (maybe it just shows more there).

I tend to think its because I either used too much product or didnt allow enough time to fully dry. Best solution i've found is to go over the area again with the Spray Wax or QD, that clears it right up.

Rob I believe QD might take some of the nxt off as it hasn't had the 24 hour cure time. I thought I read not to get it wet for 24 hours if possible. I could be wrong so if someone else can confirm this...

[Rob66]

Hi 2000,

You could well be right about using the QD, It doesnt seem to make a great difference but I'd be interested to hear from others.

Thanks

Rob

[Tim Lingor]

Hey 2000,

No QD's or water should touch the surface for at least overnight in order to allow the polymers to set-up properly.

Using a QD a day later may help to remove some of the smearing. I have found that if you leave NXT residue on black for longer than the suggested 15 minute removal time, smears tend to occur. As such, I will usually do one side and a horizontal surface at one time and then remove.

But as the others have stated, simply adding a second coat takes care of it. :)

Tim

[2000]

Originally posted by 2hotford
Hey 2000,

No QD's or water should touch the surface for at least overnight in order to allow the polymers to set-up properly.

Using a QD a day later may help to remove some of the smearing. I have found that if you leave NXT residue on black for longer than the suggested 15 minute removal time, smears tend to occur. As such, I will usually do one side and a horizontal surface at one time and then remove.

But as the others have stated, simply adding a second coat takes care of it. :)

Tim hey, I was right for once.:db: :D
that applies for any sealant, like #21, right? I've never really had any trouble with streaking on my black vehicles...just swirls, scratches, chips, dings............................

thanks for the help.

[Tim Lingor]

Hey 2000,

Yep, any sealant that Meguiar's offers! :)

Tim

[RamAirV1]

Originally posted by 2000
hey, I was right for once.:db: :D
that applies for any sealant, like #21, right? I've never really had any trouble with streaking on my black vehicles...just swirls, scratches, chips, dings............................

thanks for the help.

I'll second that on the chips and dings. It would be nice if Indiana had a covered load law so the dump trucks wouldn't be dumping rocks all over the roads!:mad: :mad: :mad:

I would try the NXT Paste. Very easy to use, easy to apply in thin coats, dries quickly, never any streaks. My next project is to apply and remove it by PC. Gives that intense NXT look too!

RamAirV1

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by 2000
I believe QD might take some of the NXT off as it hasn't had the 24 hour cure time. I thought I read not to get it wet for 24 hours if possible. I could be wrong so if someone else can confirm this...

If you really want to drill down...


It's not so much a quick detailer removing any wax, (this applies to any product applied to the surface of paint, not just NXT Tech Wax), it's the fact that your touching it. When you touch the surface, whether with your finger, a wash mitt, a microfiber or whatever... you are disrupting the product.

If you're trying to remove an application of a pure polish like Deep Crystal Polish, when you wipe the surface with a microfiber, you disrupt the continuous layer of polish in a way that you loosen it and it clings to the microfiber, thus you remove it.

If you drill down to the microscopic level, after you have applied and removed a coating of wax, what you have left behind on the surface is measured in thicknesses of microns. After applying the wax and then removing the wax, in a perfect world you leave the wax along to fully set-up, this is a window of time of approximately 24 hours. Note, I didn't write takes 24 hours, the setting-up time takes place somewhere between 0 and 24 hours depending on a number of different factors.

(I know after writing the above I will see it mis-interpreted and then posted somewhere else only to need correction).

During this 24 hour period of time, in a perfect world, you wouldn't touch the wax coating. To do so disrupts it, it moves it around because it's not all fully set-up.

The more you wipe it, the more you disrupt it and even remove it.

It's not that a quick detailer remove a freshly applied coat of wax, touching it removes it. Our wax, any companies wax.

Mike

[RamAirV1]

Good point about touching the paint. That means maybe that you should not use a duster on the paint within that curing time either. I never thought about that until now.

RamAirV1

[FlyRedneck]

Yo mtp78,
I just finished hand rubbing my black Focus with the NXT Tech Wax(liquid) and experienced the same thing.
I don't think it has so much to do with a second coat as I tried this and still had the swirled/stained look. I was starting to curse the wax(sorry Meguiars, nobody heard me), but as I went on I found it seemed to be from 2 primary issues.
#1. I was not using enough good old fashion "elbow grease". Now I assume that some of this extra elbow grease was required because It was 6:30 in the morning with tempatures somewhere in the neighborhood of high 40's to low 50's.
I know it has always been said to apply wax on a cool surface, with no direct sunlight, but it seems to me there has to be just the right mix of heat and cool for the wax to truly work well( Imagine trying to wax you car with a cold candle then trying it once the wax was heated, much easier!).
In my case today since the air was not yet that warm it required me to rub with extra vigor (lightly,but aggressive) to create friction heat for the wax to blend correctly. Unlike on a warm day when the air temp. helps the wax apply. This combined with REASON #2. Improper rubbing/wiping.
I started removal with a terry cloth towel. It sucked(too much build up)! Only once I switched to a 100% cotton towel along with switching to a clean spot every few inches or so(very important) was I able to achieve a satisfactory look.
I should have used the clay bar first this time around. I think this would have helped too!
I think travisdecpn was right about the excess oils, whether it is not absorbing into the paint or not being picked up by the towel, this seems to be the residual that we are discussing!
All in all the wax seems good. We'll see about durability.
I am more curious to try it on my pee wee truck to see its effect on 26 year old paint that already beyond saving , but is a good test piece. I will need to do a heavy cut first though. I will inform!Oh yeah, I also think this probably happens on lot's of cars it's just more noticeable on darker colors.
If none of what I have spewed above is actually valid, I'm sorry you took the time to read this, I must be...Car Crazy!! Thank's Meguire's!! LATE!!:cool: :cool:

[RamAirV1]

Using a good MF towel helps a lot in wax removal. The new Supreme Shine Microfiber towels are especially good at this.

RamAirV1

[Tanat198]

Everyone seems to notice this issue. I just waxed my car yesterday on a solid black Audi. It 's there as well. Even I applied a second coat, it just didn't go away. However, after i left it over night, it just disappeared. Could it be the wax has already bonded to the paint.

[Don]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is: "What kind of PREP WORK was done before using the NXT???

Prep = All the difference in the world

[2000]

Originally posted by Don
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is: "What kind of PREP WORK was done before using the NXT???

Prep = All the difference in the world :iagree:

I have two black vehicles and haven't seen this, so I can't guess to what causes it, but I always do some form of prep.

[karll]

hasnt happened to me yet...

I am a new NXT user, on a Black Aurora and a Black Yukon.

I've traditionally stayed away from synthetic's for black paint, but had to try the NXT.

a big thumbs up.

It attracts way more attention from onlookers. My vehicles get noticeably more comments at the gas pumps, parking lots etc.

that must say something...

Although I am still a Carnauba fan through and through!!!

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