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the_invisible
Jul 31st, 2009, 05:43 PM
So today I decided wetsand my headlights with 2500 grit sandpaper to clear it up a little. After wetsanding the headlights using the correct procedures, I used M105, LC Yellow Pad 5.5" and a PCXP at 6 speed to remove the sanding marks.

M105 and the PCXP did a quick and fabulous job at removing all the sanding marks in one pass. I did two more passes to ensure I got even coverage and at this point, the headlights are extremely clear.

As a procedure, I decdied to use PlastX to top it off. I decided on this because ADS sells a Heavy Duty Headlight Restoration Kit that teaches the use of PlastX after M105.

After working PlastX into the headlights for around 3mins non-stop in circular motion and with some passion, i realized that I added more swirls in the headlights than before... I immediately gave the headlights a pass using M105 and the swirls created by PlastX is gone.

Not believing what I see, I gave PlastX another go on the same headlight, more swirls. Some of you may say that I am not working in the product long enough. But trust me, I was literally diminishing everything there was on the pad.

Here is a picture of the swirls created by PlastX:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/the_invisible/P1050159.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/the_invisible/P1050158.jpg
Excuse the white Infiniti M45 in the background

Eddie6th
Jul 31st, 2009, 06:17 PM
I answered your other thread and just seen this one.

I think the problem is just so many different types of plastics out there.

PlastX on another type of headlamp might be fine.

Murr1525
Jul 31st, 2009, 10:25 PM
How were you applying the PlastX?

Andrew C.
Jul 31st, 2009, 10:37 PM
Try using M205, as it is less aggressive than Plast X and should probably take them out

the_invisible
Jul 31st, 2009, 11:08 PM
How were you applying the PlastX?

Meguiar's Yellow Foam Pad, worked product in with high pressure while gradually release pressure until all polishes become clear.

Murr1525
Jul 31st, 2009, 11:15 PM
If you felt like trying again, I'd say start without the high pressure.

Or you could try something like the Cleaner/Wax worked in and removed. You'd have to wait until it wore of a bit to see if it really removed the swirls.

the_invisible
Jul 31st, 2009, 11:25 PM
Well I could remove the swirls quite easily with products such as ScratchX, M105 or M205 by hand, etc...

I am just surprised that PlastX would leave scratches on the headlights, especially since that it is a product with diminishing abrasive technology.


Seeing that PlastX is such an aggressive product to remove oxidation and inclarity, it is bound to leave some swirls on the surface despite the DAT. Since I went with the wetsanding route, PlastX could have been avoided by simply using a polish such as M105. Using PlastX after M105 simply makes things worse.

Mark Kleis
Aug 1st, 2009, 07:07 AM
Hmmm, I'm not really seeing swirls? :scratchhead1

I see some pitting, which is to be expected (from normal driving, and not something polish can really help), but no swirls.. :confused:

In the first picture I do see one isolated scratch slightly above and to the right of the amber light- but that's it.

Can you point them out?

Megafast13
Aug 1st, 2009, 10:42 AM
Yeah, I don't see any swirls. No headlight is going to ever look perfectly clear and flaw free!

I have pitting and other notches and nicks in my Headlights. PlastX and M105 can't really remove those.

Those Headlights look pretty darn good to me!

imacarnut
Aug 1st, 2009, 11:54 AM
Since the LC yellow pad is aggressive, you could always follow it up with a polishing pad to help remove any leftover swirls, etc...

zaidgreat
Aug 3rd, 2009, 10:35 PM
Plastx seems to work better for me if i don't apply too much pressure... seems that the abrasives breaks down very fast.... resulting in swirls that might be caused by the applicator dry rubbing the surface..

the_invisible
Aug 3rd, 2009, 11:15 PM
Plastx seems to work better for me if i don't apply too much pressure... seems that the abrasives breaks down very fast.... resulting in swirls that might be caused by the applicator dry rubbing the surface..

I learned that the wasteful way after using a lot of PlastX

the finish comes out relatively better with less pressure. Using an orange LC cutting pad doesn't help either. I thought you're supposed to use passion when applying this stuff... :scratchhead1

ianrayburn
Aug 7th, 2009, 02:28 PM
My greatest nightmare are the plastic headlight covers on my Honda. PlasticX is not bad but no more so than toothpaste or even glass stovetop cleaner. Answer seems to be in the method. My current method, with the greatest amount of satisfaction, is a cheap ($5) battery operated toothbrush

the_invisible
Aug 9th, 2009, 07:50 PM
My greatest nightmare are the plastic headlight covers on my Honda. PlasticX is not bad but no more so than toothpaste or even glass stovetop cleaner. Answer seems to be in the method. My current method, with the greatest amount of satisfaction, is a cheap ($5) battery operated toothbrush

YES.
I have a glass stovetop cleaner as well, and it smells and feels in texture almost identical to PlastX.

Is PlastX simply a rebadged Glass Stovetop Cleaner???

Meguiar's Staff. Could you explain the striking similarity? Pure coincidence?

Mark Kleis
Aug 9th, 2009, 08:05 PM
YES.
I have a glass stovetop cleaner as well, and it smells and feels in texture almost identical to PlastX.

Is PlastX simply a rebadged Glass Stovetop Cleaner???

Meguiar's Staff. Could you explain the striking similarity? Pure coincidence?
They are both abrasive-based liquids... of course there is a similarity :yelrotflmao:laughing2

the_invisible
Aug 9th, 2009, 08:56 PM
Yeah, that's what I thought too ! :D

Though, it smells idenitcal as well!!! I think the stove cleaner is a buck cheaper.

invertalon
Aug 12th, 2009, 04:40 PM
I had this issue with PlastX as well... I used it with a terry pad, then microfiber (slowly relieving pressure until product was about dry) and removed. I noticed with my Xenon light, that it left very faint "swirls" if you will. So I just grabbed some #80, went over with a microfiber and it cleaned it right up. Then I topped with NXT 2.0...

Love PlastX! Just remember, it may not finish flawless on every lens, as stated above.

the_invisible
Aug 12th, 2009, 05:36 PM
As I have mentioned previously, M105 itself is able to finish up my headlights with a smoother surface than PlastX.

However, we must keep in mind that PlastX is a relatively aggressive product that can be used by hand with a 100% cotton cloth to remove severe oxidation, weathering, hazing, and other severe plastic defects. A product as powerful as PlastX should not be exepcted to polish plastic surfaces to a perfect finish. Cleaning it up with a very very light polish is a must.

The fact that PlastX is now being sold as a part of a kit with a drill-operated wool pad. I wonder how well that turns out. If I am unable to get an ultra smooth, swirl-free finish from PlastX using a polishing pad, I wonder what the result would be like if used with a wool pad.

ianrayburn
Aug 12th, 2009, 05:53 PM
After my last post re. PlasticX & an electric toothbrush I have had another thought. Unfortunately what I thought I had solved seems to have reappeared, the hazing, albeit somewhat mild has returned. I spoke to a friend of mine today who is an associate professor of chemistry at the local university & he feels that this is simply the result of air pollution etching the plastic. His conclusion was that you can slow down the effects but not stop it. I have to admit that in my somewhat 50 years of owning cars I never saw this happen to glass lenses.

alexajs
Aug 14th, 2009, 08:16 AM
Hi,

I applied PlasticX to the headlights on my 1994 R33 Skyline first by hand (not an increadile result) so I tried applying it with my makita 9227 set on slowest speed, with almost no pressure. Worked a treat, now I have to clean the insides of the plastic covers as you can see how dirty they are. So off come the headlights and into the oven at 80 degree's C when I get some time that is...


Alex