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vdubbya
Sep 27th, 2004, 04:31 PM
Has anyone ever heard of a silicone-free protective wax or sealant? I know it's a stupid question but I had to ask. The reason being, I'm moving into a new 2 bay shop but the person leasing the shop to me has a body shop there as well. They are not in the same area but the doors all lead to the same office. He had said that the guy that leased last raised alot of heck with his paint by using silicone products. He want's me to find Sil-free products. Right now I mainly use Hi-Tech wax as well as Natural Shine for the interior and then Gold Class High Endurance High Gloss for the tires. What are my alternatives? I apply all dressings onto a sponge or applicator so that there is no spray. Would that be OK? Also, does the wax produce enough dust when taken off to cause "fish eyes" in the paint as well? Thanks for any help!!! :wall:

Marc08EX
Sep 27th, 2004, 04:36 PM
Meguiar's Hyper Dressing (http://www.meguiars.com/store_meguiars/product_detail.cfm?sku=D-170) from the Detailer line is a silicone-free dressing. It's water-based in fact so I guess that's one problem down. You can use this for the tires and for the interior as well. You can have 4 dilution ratios that will create the shine and luster you want.

As for the waxes, I don't have any idea which contains silicon and which does not.

Hope this helps.

Jose Torres
Sep 27th, 2004, 05:20 PM
Overall, all of our waxes and virtually all of the consumer line of products contain silicone. This would include the products that you mentioned. Your alternative is to use the Mirror Glaze and Detailer Line of products.

As for the Mirror Glaze line, with the exception of the waxes and M40 Vinyl & Rubber Cleaner/Conditioner, all of the Mirror Glaze products are silicone free (aka body shop, or paintable). There is however one product that will give you silicone free, breathable paint protection. It is M80 Speed Glaze. But keep in mind that M80 Speed Glaze is not a wax, but does contain a paintable polymer that gives you light protection. It is ideal for use after a repaint.

As for dressings; while it's true that Hyper Dressing is water based, it is not silicone free. . You would want to use D161 Silicone-Free Dressing instead.

As for the Detailer Line, all of our Detailer Line products are silicone free with the exception of the following 6 products:

D150 - X-Press Liquid Wax
D155 - Last Touch Detailer Spray
D160 - All Season Dressing
D170 - Hyper Dressing
D4610 - Accent Dressing
D180 - Leather Cleaner & Conditioner

The reason for a silicone sensitive environment is because of the potential contamination of a finish during the painting process. A tiny amount of silicone will show up as "fisheyes" afterwards. Fisheyes are small crater-like indentations or depressions in the finish and will require additional defect removal procedures or repainting of the finish. This is the basic reason as well as necessity in mainting a silicone free environment.

Hope this helps..

travisdecpn
Sep 27th, 2004, 05:26 PM
I think #16 is sil-free

vdubbya
Sep 27th, 2004, 06:47 PM
Thank's guys! Jose, so there is really nothing that I can do given the circumstance. I there a way to remove the silicone from the air with per say a hepa filter system? Also, is silicone really that easy to become "airborn" given the way that I use it. Tire dressing(gell) straight on to a foam applicator. Vinyl dressing(spray) poured(not sprayed) onto an applicator. Last but not least, wax spread by hand and wiped off by hand as always?

Mike Pennington
Sep 28th, 2004, 06:43 AM
To begin with lets address travisdecpn...

Just to confim # 16 is not paintable...Just like Jose was saying, all of our waxes/protection products are not paintable...

Now vdubbya...

You are correct in saying you are minimizing the chance of contamination by practicing all those procedures you mentioned. Anytime you can eliminate "airborne" particles you are better off. In addition, there is no special filter to buy to completely eliminate it totally. Only time will tell if you are practicing those procedures and there is still evidence of contamination. However, there are plenty of types of contamination which will cause fisheyes right in your landlords shop. Has he checked all of his possibilities for contamination in his shop ???

Mike Phillips
Sep 28th, 2004, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by vdubbya
I'm moving into a new 2 bay shop but the person leasing the shop to me has a body shop there as well. They are not in the same area but the doors all lead to the same office. He had said that the guy that leased last raised a lot of heck with his paint by using silicone products.

Is it too late to locate to a different shop?

If the owner leasing the shop knew you were detailing cars, he should also have known that this type of business involves using lots of products that are not body shop safe, whether they are from Meguiar's or another company.


He wants me to find Sil-free products. Right now I mainly use Hi-Tech wax as well as Natural Shine for the interior and then Gold Class High Endurance High Gloss for the tires.

I have a feeling that even if you were able to use all silicone-free products, if he continues to experience problems, he will place the blame on your doorstep.

Let's hope not...

Mike

vdubbya
Oct 3rd, 2004, 03:00 PM
Mike, yes it is too late to move to another shop. I officially took posession on Oct. 1st. I have have no lease so I'm not locked in, so maybe that is a good thing. The guy that runs the body shop is family friend so he is cutting me a great deal as long as I follow his guidlines. Guess what that is??? I have found some products that are silicone-free and will be trying them this week. I have heard real good things about that products so I'll keep my fingers crossed. This garage has been used in the past as a detail shop but the last guy just sprayed product like it was going out of style and got himself booted out after many warnings to find new products. So I hope everything goes well and my customers are still happy. :xyxthumbs