M83 too agressive for new paint?

[R1C4]

Hello everyone!!!
Here is my problem... im from Brazil and right now i can only have acess to M83 in the smaller size... M80 and M82 only in the bigger size so that's too much for me.
My question is would be the 83 too agressive for the paint of my C4 that is brand but are covered with very light swirls but no scratches?
I dont have a D.A. polisher and the M83 will be applied by hand.
What will be the best for me wait for the 80 or 82 to be avaliable?? (edited for language - Mike Pennington) or i can go with the 83 for now?
I've been lurking around the forum for some time and this is my first post so thanks a lot everyone this forum is great and its a pleasure to be around!
Greetings from Brazil
Ricardo

[Murr1525]

Working by hand would tend to make it milder.... Probably fairly close to ScratchX by hand, though I have not used #83 by hand.

[Mike Phillips]

Hi Ricardo,

Welcome to Meguiar's Online! :wavey

Best results from M83 are when it's applied using a rotary buffer, (look at the picture on the label), the next best results are when it's applied using a DA Polisher. It can be applied by hand but keep in mind that if you're trying to remove swirls that means you're trying to remove paint.

Make sense?

You're trying to level the surface flat like it was originally and this removes the swirls and scratches.

The problem is most Corvettes have pretty hard paint and that's going to make it difficult for you and your hand to remove enough paint to remove the swirls.

Have you tried just claying the paint, applying a paint cleaner like ScratchX or Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner and then applying a couple of coats of our NXT Tech Wax?

This might actually get your finish to where you want it to be without having to try to remove all the swirls by hand.

:)

[R1C4]

hello!!! thanks for your reply!!! here the scratch x is twice the price of the smaller M83. so its kinda expensive for the whole car.

[Mike Phillips]

My question is would be the 83 too aggressive for the paint of my C4 that is brand but are covered with very light swirls but no scratches?




Did you mean BRAND NEW, (note the extra word "New"). As in your C4 Corvette has a brand new paint job?

How old? Some people join this forum and tell us they have a brand new paint job and they leave out it's brand new 2, 3, 4, 5 years ago. Brand new usually means a week or two. :laughing2

A brand new paint job shouldn't have any swirls. If it does that means the person that buffed it out likely instilled them using a rotary buffer.

Is this what you want to remove by hand?

[Mike Phillips]

hello!!! thanks for your reply!!! here the scratch x is twice the price of the smaller M83. so its kinda expensive for the whole car.

You can always give it a try.

Whether or not you can remove swirls by hand using any product usually comes down to your technique, that is how good you are at applying and working the product over the surface.

If this is BRAND NEW paint then it still might be soft enough to easily work by hand. It could be so hard that nothing will work, you don't know until you try working a small section, (we call this a Test Spot), and see what you with your skill and abilities and the product you're trying can accomplish.

All the factory clear coat finishes on any C4 Corvettes I've worked on have been hard enough that I wouldn't accept a detailing job working on one again, not worth the time, effort or what you can charge.

Re-paint can go either way, could be real hard, could be real easy to polish and work defects out of, you don't know till you try and see what you can do.

We had a forum member bring a brand new black Viper to one of our classes and after showing him how to remove swirls by hand nor machine and what NXT could do by itself, he opted just to leave the swirls in the paint and keep a coat of NXT on the paint to mask them.

Less work, same results.

[R1C4]

hello!!! thanks for your reply!!! here the scratch x is twice the price of the smaller M83. so its kinda expensive for the whole car.
I have used next,UQD,endurance high gloss and QID all products are GREAT!!!! i have scratch x too... but even after read the tread about how ''work'' scratch x i think it will need too much scratch x for the whole car so i was thinking of 80,82 or 83 for the price... but for bird poo i got amazing results
Yes my car is brand new sorry i forgot and sorry for my bad english too lol!!! and its not a corvette its a citroen c4 sorry for the confusion!!!
thanks again for the attention!!!
and sorry for my really slowwwwww tipping lol

[Mike Phillips]

and its not a corvette its a citroen c4 sorry for the confusion!!!



We were wondering how you came about a C4 Corvette in Brazil?

Does this look like your car?

C4 Citron
http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/citroen-c4-coupe.jpg

[R1C4]

yes but mine is red

[R1C4]

no corvette c4 on brazil that i know!!!!

[ClassicConcepts]

Along the same lines, I assume M81 would be good on a new paint job to protect it from bugs etc. When I say new, I mean it is PPG BC/CC coming out of the paint booth this week and we have to leave on a trip a week from Friday. I think I need to let the new paint cure but don't want to leave it unprotected.

[Mike Phillips]

M80, (not M81), contains a protective polymer that provides some protection, (like a wax or paint sealant), but it will not seal the surface.

M03
M05
M07
M81
Deep Crystal Polish

The above are all "Pure Polishes", that means non-abrasive polishes and often times body shops will apply one of these after they've painted the car and they're finished with any polishing work to create a nice looking finish but none of these offer the body shop safe protective polymer found in M80.

M80 is a cleaner/polish so unlike a pure polish it DOES contain diminishing abrasives BUT, if you apply it GENTLY, like by hand or with a DA Polisher with a polishing pad or a finishing pad on a lower speed setting there will little to no cleaning taking place, just spreading the product over the surface.

Fact is, a little cleaning of most new paint jobs is usually a good thing anyways, whether the new paint has been sanded, compounded and polished or not.

If the new paint is being sanded and compounded, or perhaps just machine compounded and polished then it usually has swirls and applying M80 correctly will remove the BSIS - Body Shop Instilled Swirls, if the swirls are not to deep.



We usually talk about DISO which stands for Dealer Installed Swirl Option, but body shops instill BSIS all the time also.

:)

[ClassicConcepts]

I've got some #7, #9, #81, and #83. I'm not sure I could find #80 on short notice, I live about 90 miles up the road from you in the middle of nowhere! I'll start looking, I want to put something on the new paint before leaving on the Hot Rod Power Tour.

[VonLego]

About to paint a bumper this weekend. Anxiously anticipating more info.